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Open source didn't compete on quality for price. I could pay 2k plus 40 hours of my time for a Voron or buy something that just works. I think Prusa only put out their CoreXY offering after they realized Bambu was eating their lunch. The Apple model works because people want to print rather than tinker.
Well Prusa was open and did compete.

But for 3D printers that worked out of the box under $1000, Prusa had no real competition itself.

The Mk3 came out in 2017 and I swear Prusa just sat on their laurels. I was a Mk3s+ owner (well, still am) and was pretty disappointed how little improved with the Mk4.

Bambu’s competition was Prusa and they clearly strived to improve over what Prusa had accomplished.

I wasn’t really sold on the 4/4S, but I recently upgraded a 3S+ to a 4S and am amazed how much improved. The new touchscreen LCD is a huge improvement over the old two line monochrome LCD. Remote access and wife printing is a nice plus — I don’t even run OctoPi anymore. Automatic bed leveling and no more Live Z tweaking for each sheet has been a major quality of life upgrade and eliminates one of the major pain points in swapping out nozzles. The nozzle is much easier to swap out and is now high flow. Add in Input Shaping and it prints significantly faster.

I hadn’t had any experience with the new platform prior to this upgrade and I skipped over the MK4, but the 4S upgrade is a significant step up over the 3S/3S+. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend the upgrade kit — that took much longer than expected to complete (about two days) and I regret not buying a new printer instead. But, I have a 3S I plan to upgrade to 3.5 just to get the new electronics; that upgrade is far less intensive.

If you haven’t tried out a 4S you might be pleasantly surprised by how much nicer it is than the 3S+.

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The problem is even with Prusas recent efforts to catch up with the Core One, it's expensive, and they still dont have a viable answer to the AMS. The MMU is still a hot mess, requires tinkering, isn't stable and overall just doesnt come close to an out of the box experience.

They still seem to be thinking the primary audience of 3d printers is people who tinker. It's not been that way for a long time. People just want to be able to unbox, plug it in and print. The second you add in the "oh just spend 5 hours tweaking this spaghetti mess of an MMU" you've lost them.

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Prusa’s primary audience has been people who don’t want to tinker.

I think they just screwed up the design of the MMU but they never went back to the drawing board.

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I wondered if the bamboo was sold for a loss
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> Open source didn't compete on quality for price.

Well, Open Source did compete on one quality very well: being open, hackable and staying that way. With this being removed from Bambu lab printers it seems as if this is a very much valued aspect for many 3D printing enthusiasts, yet few people were willing to compromise for this aspect.

Apparently it is true, you don’t know how much you value something until you don’t have it anymore

I paid ~$750 for my 350mm Voron 2.4 kit (and, sure, 40 hours of my time. But look, you want to do 3D printing, 40 hours are just a small initial investment).
It really depends upon the target market. That's fine for hobbyists. But I use the Bambu X1 for small-scale prototyping in a company, and it has to be usable out of the box. We can't justify an entire week of labour for each printer we buy.

The Bambu has been ideal for that reason. Every material pretty much just works, and the quality is excellent. The cloud integration and janky LAN mode is the downside, and this current topic even moreso.

> But look, you want to do 3D printing, 40 hours are just a small initial investment

No. None of this crap. I want to 3D print. I don't want to service industrial machinery in my spare time. Why should 3D printing require spending weekends troubleshooting machines just to keep the thing working? I want to print models not play repair technician.

Vorons are fantastic printers and a fantastic kit if 3D printing itself is your hobby. 3D printing is a fantastic hobby. There's tons of fun to be had building up and dialing in a printer kit. A well tuned voron can be up with the best of the best 3D printers. If that's what you want to do go for it!

But for heaven's sake I want to print models, parts and other practical things. I have other things to do and problems to solve. My 3D printer is a tool. If I have to spend just as much time working on the machine as I do using to actually print things then I'm not interested.

Bambu is still the best game in town for a turn-key, just works printer. Prusa can deliver the same experience at double to triple the ticket price. A voron is not a replacement for a Bambu printer no matter how good the printers actually are.

>Why should 3D printing require spending weekends troubleshooting machines just to keep the thing working? I want to print models not play repair technician.

I’m sympathetic to your POV but the reason you should is that’s the price to keep things open.

Obviously many people don’t care about that. Fair enough. But then you should be prepared to deal with their shenanigans.

Prusa also does things like maintain and develop printables.com and PrusaSlicer (itself forked) which many of these closed printers fork with minimal changes.

People don’t care about this either. So again, get ready to deal with garbage when Prusa goes under.

I think it’s sad since the whole domestic 3D printer thing started as open source.

> I’m sympathetic to your POV but the reason you should is that’s the price to keep things open.

No, it's not, and the perception that it is hurts the cause of openness.

Open Source has every ability to be better, to Just Work, to not require constant debugging. Good Open Source systems manage this. The fact that 3D printers apparently have not is the fault of those printers, not any inherent quality of openness.

QIDIs might need a slight bit more tinkering with settings for new filaments but they’re pretty solid and offer more than Bambu does for the money

Comparing Bambu to Voron is an absurd comparison

> Comparing Bambu to Voron is an absurd comparison

I politely disagree. I was in the market for a more modern printer, and it boiled down to either a BL or a Voron - in the end I decided against ease of use and in favor of an open ecosystem. I agree in that they are not universally interchangeable, but for some people either can be an option, each with distinctive advantages and disadvantages.

What do they offer more in your experience?
because 3d printing is not there yet.

the whole process is basically cnc but with z hops and extruding instead of removing material.

we do not even have conical slicing yet.

> because 3d printing is not there yet

Ya, it is, and it’s been there for quite a while now thanks to Bambu.

The X1 just works. Coming up on a year of frequent use, I can count the number of failed prints on one hand. It’s incredible.

i do not believe you. it is mostly a material issue not a printer issue
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It is. I have no interest in messing around with 3D printers and was annoyed by the fact that Bambu lab lied about the 15 minute setup time. It was more like 45 minutes, but after that I never touched the printer again and started printing instead.

Also, subtractive manufacturing is much harder than additive manufacturing, because you need to position the machine around an existing piece of stock and sequence your operations manually, instead of letting a generic slicing algorithm slice from bottom to top with an offset vs the intended printing location only being a problem if you accidentally print over the edge of the build plate, which is usually not possible mechanically.

it is not that. i mostly mean that for anything functional that needs to take a load you need at least petg or asa (abs is a bit old now), which require proper storage.

also there are so much stuff that are in open prs and issues for years that are not implemented for slicers.

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You're saying this yet anyone can buy a random Bambu and just print.

I've owned or used probably every major (and some minor) printer released in the last 8 years and for most people Bambu really will just be "plug and play" (and even if something goes wrong they'll hold hands as much as needed)

as i said to another reply, it is a material issue.
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Damn that's cheap! What vendor did you use?
Curious if anyone has tried the Core XY printers from Creality? I think they use open source software and are generally in the same ballpark as the Bambu printers price-wise. Also saw they have a similar AMS style system as well.
There's a middle ground between the Apple model and assembling everything yourself.
> The Apple model works because people want to print rather than tinker.

Entirely this. I bought my A1 mini over the Christmas holidays and couldn't be happier with it, it's my first 3D printer. Searching for models on Makerworld, adjusting tiny bits here and there if needed and print. It just works and I don't really care about anything else, much like my Brother printer.

it just works until it doesn't