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ok123456 | on: TikTok goes dark in the US
I'm an American too, and I trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart more than Zuckerberg or any meta product.
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sanderjd | parent | next
Well that's very naive. It sounds like reverse polarization. Thing A is so bad that Thing B is less bad just because it isn't Thing A.
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cscurmudgeon | parent | next
I'm an American too, and I DON’T trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart.

Answer this: who has genocided 10s of millions? Who has crushed Tibet and threatens Taiwan?

CCP or Zuckerberg?

wruza | root | parent | next
Nice substitution, now let’s try it in “ByteDance or US Govt” form.

(Please don’t ask naively how US controls mass-media, no desire to follow up on that.)

motorest | root | parent
> Nice substitution, now let’s try it in “ByteDance or US Govt” form.

Not substitution, and you somehow missed the fact that it's China's CCP, not ByteDance. It's China's CCP that acts through a de-facto shell corporation called ByteDance, the same CCP that stands behind the Uighur genocide, Tibet annexation, threat of invasion of Taiwan, etc. That's who you are defending as the desirable option.

wruza | root | parent | next
I didn't miss anything of that. It only seems to you because you happen to have a very blind eye on the literal inverse (I guess).
undersuit | root | parent
Yep, there are no rules in the US, anyone can own a company and do anything they want. There is no evil government pulling the stings from behind the curtain.

https://www.fcc.gov/proceedings-actions/mergers-transactions...

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/biden-admin-delays-enf...

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21168079/grindr-sold-chine...

Are you even aware of the context of the reasons why Tiktok went dark? Did they do it with no provocation? By accepting the US's arguments for the Tiktok ban we're just aligning ourselves with the same ideology of "the enemy" you're trying to malign.

__MatrixMan__ | root | parent | next
What do you suppose is gained by making CCP pay Zuckerberg for the privilege? Or are you proposing that he'd turn their money down?

The US has done plenty of that sort of thing in south America and the middle east, but it has always had the extra burden of maintaining a narrative under which it was not doing those things. If we let the US ban services that are contrary to its narratives, what's left to stop the US from behaving like China even more than it already does?

sanderjd | root | parent
Yeah we may have to cross that bridge later. (Indeed, I think it's a major concern that Musk controls Twitter and has demonstrated an inability to criticize the Chinese government time and time again.) But we can at least cross this bridge first.
Lionga | root | parent | next
America has genocided 10s of millions for what it is worth. From Native Americans to slaves to all the wars in the last years to "export democracy". If any country can rival China in killing people needlessly it is the USA for sure.
notavalleyman | root | parent | next
Hmm if Saddam killed 50 thousand innocent Iraqis each year, and American intervention only cost 40k lives each year ... Then do we deduct 10, or add 40, to the "ten million" number you came up with?
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Retric | root | parent
If you’re comparing either current or historic atrocities, China is going to lose badly.

Trying to mix and match is obviously just disingenuous here.

juunpp | root | parent | next
See Myanmar for what Facebook has done.
ok123456 | root | parent | next
Then don't use it.
cscurmudgeon | root | parent
Yeah, and it is within my rights to call for controls over its ownership. After all, we are a free country.

Just like one person getting vaccinated is useless, I want the country to be inoculated from insidious propaganda outside of democratic control and review.

And it is within my rights to point out the hypocrisy of those who cry freedom

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-...

ok123456 | root | parent
No it's not.
sanderjd | root | parent | next
Of course it is. What point are you even trying to make?
cscurmudgeon | root | parent
Yes, it is. I am doing it right here though, lol.
ok123456 | root | parent | next
Tibet was a feudal society. The only people who were "crushed" were the people landowners and the elite monks.

Both sides of the strait want the status quo in Taiwan for various reasons. Detent would be the correct approach instead of further military armament. It would be like if the Soviet Union continued to militarize Cuba from the Cuban missile crisis until the current day.

I'm more concerned about the genocide in Gaza than some CIA assets in Germany playing make-believe.

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