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thefounder | on: #42663886
It won’t happen overnight. It’s not like violence beings best results that fast. What did Bin Laden accomplish in the U.S with his violent protests/terrorism ? Or the Islamic state? Not to mention the latest wonder from Gaza…it didn’t go down that well, did it?
ben_w | parent | next
> What did Bin Laden accomplish in the U.S with his violent protests/terrorism ?

He convinced one of his enemies, the USA, too eliminate one of his other enemies, Iraq's Sadam Hussein. (Or the US was incompetent enough to do that all by itself, hard for me to be sure).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_li...

And the Taliban is back in charge of Afghanistan.

> Not to mention the latest wonder from Gaza…it didn’t go down that well, did it?

No, it didn't. On the other hand, it triggered such a response from Israel as to make Israel a pariah in the eyes of many, and attempts at prosecution for genocide — something I have been told motivated some of the Israeli protesters against Netinyahu.

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A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 | root | parent
The parent's comment is fascinating isn't it? One of Bin Laden's stated goals was to get US engaged and bled out through protracted and costly war, which he actually managed to achieve..

I mean this is not ancient history and lot of it at this point is public record.

thefounder | root | parent
So the strategy was to lure the bear on your turf and become a punching bag. After getting beat up pretty bad you celebrate that the bear left your turf. Now you hope someone else will engage the tired bear. Who would want to be the next punching bag?
maeil | parent | next
> Not to mention the latest wonder from Gaza…it didn’t go down that well, did it?

How had it been going up until that point? Very poorly too. The idea that peaceful protests by Palestinians would've changed that would be so awfully naive that I've never even encountered that argument.

thefounder | root | parent
Well now a good chunk of Palestians are dead and Palestina finds itself in an even worse situation(politically,economically,socially). Surely there is a better way than poking the bear to see what happens.
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