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Ask HN: Do you backup your Emails?

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My email provider ought to have its own backups for their own service-continuity. (IMAP in this case, but the picture looks very similar for POP.)

Meanwhile, my desktop e-mail client (Thunderbird) has its own local files which are captured by a consumer online-backup solution (e.g. Backblaze) along with other documents, photos, etc. That means both local-copies of server mail, and also items which have been perma-downloaded into mailboxes and purged from the server.

In a way, my biggest worry is not backup-coverage of the bytes per se, but potential archeological issues when it comes to arcane mailbox formats. (My second-biggest worry is that my organization is terrible and Inbox keeps growing.)

No. Yolo. (Also, in the past 20 years I never needed to find any personal email that's older than a week, so I'm not terribly concerned about the effect of dataloss.)
My counter point is that in 20 years, I've needed to find old emails probably about 100 times.

I have almost every email of my life, so it's easy to find them.

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I'm using lieer and mujmap to sync my Gmail and Fastmail accounts to a local notmuch mail storage on top of ZFS pool. That ZFS pool is in turn replicated off site.

I use neomutt to access my archive over SSH. And notmuch is very fast at searching all of my emails.

* https://github.com/gauteh/lieer

* https://github.com/elizagamedev/mujmap

* https://notmuchmail.org/

Do you backup your Emails?

Yes. I have a combination of self hosted email and a vendor email provider. I access both with IMAPS. I pull down the emails with Thunderbird and never leave them on the server. I back up the local Thunderbird data folder locally then back it up to multiple encrypted SSD/NVME.

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You're right not to trust cloud providers with your life's history. They are not trustworthy.

Thunderbird is a great way to back up emails. You can tell it to store everything locally. It stores everything in handy sqlite tables under the covers.

On my Mac I accomplish email backups using the Mail app and Chronosync. I have filtering rules to automatically file messages into multiple IMAP mailboxes based on sender or subject. I periodically manually move messages older than a week to local mailboxes to keep my iCloud storage from getting large enough to require paying for additional storage. The Mail app can also export those local mailboxes to a folder which I then back up using Chronosync so I have local copies on multiple drives.

The whole process only takes about 5 minutes once every week or two. It gives me easy access to over 20 years of email which is nice to have even though I only search the old ones a few times a year.

What's your favorite email search tool?

Ideally something that runs against a local archive on PC, and has a mobile app. With instant results.

I used to use Lookout (for Outlook) and have never managed to find something as fast, simple and reliable.

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Personal no. But professional, yes.

Whenever I change jobs I always take a copy of all my emails and keep it in offline storage.

Arguably not always legal/compliant. But both for CYA, learned history, relevant contacts etc. it has had use for me in multiple occasions in the past

If it's not legal, could it ever be used in a situation CYA is required?
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I rather move all important stuff out of email and back it up with more relevant tool.

To be calm that if all email is lost - it’s not a big deal.

I find the idea of backing up whole email life silly.

You don’t back up your physical post from beginning of ages, right? You rather keep only small fraction of most valuable things while dumping once in a while all temporarily important stuff.

Email is not a goal for me, just a mean to an end.

I don't even keep my emails. I have nothing in my inbox at the moment.

If an email contains something I need to keep, it is transferred to my proper files.

Empty mail, happy life.

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I can recommend https://github.com/joeyates/imap-backup for backing up gmail.
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I self-host my email, and I backup my server. My Gmail account, which I seldom use, gets redirected to an address at my own server, so it automatically gets backed up as well.
Yes. In Gmail I set up a label for the year which is added to every email. Then I download them periodically because Takeout lets you choose just a label, so I only end up with a years worth max. I have emails going back to the 90s. Why not?
I just use thunderbird with imap and copy the whole thunderbird folder to a new device when I want to use email there.

That being said, I started using email about twenty years ago and I probably have looked at past emails maybe a dozen times. The vast majority I never look at again.

I once had a four year overdue reminder to setup gmail backups, still haven't set it up.
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No. There is really nothing useful in there. It's mostly just all receipts for online orders that I have never needed.

I view old emails as all of the browser tabs I have open right now: I feel attached to them and avoid closing them. But if they all disappear I'll be fine. I'm not wasting energy backing them up.

Yeah. Email server's whole filesystem gets synced to my backup server, and the mbox files or whatever are in there somewhere.

> what tools are you using to backup your emails?

rsync and btrfs snapshots

> Is there a service which takes care of this automatically?

Cron?