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anon291 | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
Remember when all the brown people, gays, trans, blacks, and women were imprisoned in 2016? /s
cglace | parent | next
I remember when he constantly inflamed a nation in turmoil and divided.
Ancapistani | root | parent | next
The difference was one of symmetry, not magnitude.

Biden (and Harris) have been no more "inclusive" of other political positions than Trump was.

cglace | root | parent
Sure they were. Biden actively sought to pass bipartisan immigration legislation. Trump blocked it because it would hurt his chances at reelection. Neither Trump nor Vance denied this during the debates(they had multiple opportunities to do so).
anon291 | root | parent
We are not divided though. He overwhelmingly won the popular vote. Sure there is an opposition, but the truth is that the majority of American voters agree with Trump (currently winning by margins of 5 million according to NYT).

Yes, there's still work to be done, but the real inflamers of the nation are the mainstream media. Luckily they're slowly going away, and uniting figures like Musk, Rogan, etc are taking their place.

Also, he overwhelmingly wins with hispanic men (55-45). He is walking away with hispanics overall in many swing states. Black men are now 25% in his favor. Basically every single minority margin has shifted towards president trump (Including women). At this rate he will succesfully unite the country in a few more years as the remaining stragglers come over to see common sense.

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cglace | root | parent | next
We have never been more divided. Neither side can even agree on definitions or facts.

I'm glad the great uniters of Musk and Rogan can take the reins in delivering high-quality information to our nation. Maybe in a few years, we will all agree on which conspiracy theories we should all believe.

anon291 | root | parent
> Maybe in a few years, we will all agree on which conspiracy theories we should all believe.

One man's conspiracist is another man's freedom fighters. You can't honestly tell me that mainstream outlets were free of conspiracies the last few years? Remember Russia?

something98 | root | parent | next
Don't be coy, please enlighten us as to what this conspiracy is involving Russia that you think the MSM peddled, and what evidence you have that disproves the narrative.
anon291 | root | parent
The Steele dossier, which purported to contain evidence of the Trump camapign's links with Russia, turned out to actually be a Russian plant. That's what I'm talking about. People still peddle its contents as if they're anything other than fake news. That's a major problem. Same with Trump's 'very fine people' comment. You can accuse Rogan of spreading misinformation until the cows come home, but the mainstream media has also peddled its own share.
something98 | root | parent | next
I haven't heard any mention of the dossier in years, other than as an artifact of the past. A quick search, and I can't find sources trying to claim its truth (or evidence of smoke, for which there might be a fire) in years.

I certainly didn't mention Rogan—I'm aware of his existence, but I've actually never heard him speak nor seen any transcripts of anything he's said. But trying to minimize the flood of absolute obvious shit that comes from right-wing outlets by choosing to point to Rogan specifically is a bit telling.

Anyone and everyone should be called out for lies they manufacture or spread. This includes lies on the left, lest you think I'm granting one side a pass.

cglace | root | parent
Now, let's tally how many just one of the prominent right-wing figures has pushed since 2016. It should be fun.
something98 | root | parent | next
I don't think HNs database has the free space to contain such a list.
anon291 | root | parent
How many have you been doxxed for or impeached for or censored from spreading. as far as I'm aware, all your conspiracy theories have been promulgated by everyone and allowed to spread everywhere. I think that's the major difference. You should create your list. Twitter/X is a great way to spread such information to the public at large! No one will censor you. You are free :)
cglace | root | parent
Thanks I feel much better knowing that I am free to squash the thousands of untruths spread and believed by the masses.

I guess there isn't a problem.

cglace | root | parent
See, we can't even agree on a starting point. Instead of admitting Rogan and Elon pedaling in absolutely insane conspiracy theories, you pull out your whataboutisms and think we are back on a level playing field. We aren't.
sulam | root | parent
Hey dude, you may be overdosing on those pills you’re taking when you start saying things like Musk is a uniter. The red ones are fine, just limit it to one or two, okay?
anon291 | root | parent
Of course he is. He and his companies are well loved by the American populace writ large.
sulam | root | parent | next
The only thing he wants to unite are the dollars in your pocket with his wallet.
aredox | root | parent | next
I remember when he pushed the lie that Pelosi's husband was attacked by his gay lover. Or when he pushed the lie that Democrats are stuffing voting boxes with illegal immigrants'votes, or that brown people are replacing white people.

Such a uniter, that South African emerald mine owner.

cglace | root | parent
That makes him a uniter?
aredox | parent | next
Remember the Muslim ban?

Remember the children in cages?

Remember that a crook will cultivate your trust and lower your defenses before pulling a fast one on you?

autoexec | parent
I remember when trump tried very hard to weaponize the justice department against his "enemies" (https://www.justsecurity.org/98703/chronology-trump-justice-...) but people stood up to him and refused, or just delayed acting as long as possible. Trump was very much "handled" by people all levels of government who tried their best to clean up after him, distract him away from his crazy plans, or obstruct him. Even in the the military. In the beginning it was the so-called "axis of adults" that kept things sane.

That's all changed since he's spent a considerable amount of time removing anyone who disagrees with him, threatening those who would dare to, installing people who will do what he wants including the judges who have granted him total immunity which he didn't have before. I think we can expect things this time to be very different.