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skeuomorphism | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
About 20 million votes less than the 2020 election, with about 15 million less for the democrats, and a measely 4 million less for the republicans. Thought that was interesting.
mrtksn | parent | next
I see this being pushed on Twitter as a proof of election fraud in 2020 but aren't the votes still being counted?

Reporting appears to be %87 at this moment, expect the numbers to add up when it's %100.

Don't you register to vote anyway? You can't be counting unaccounted for ballots, are you? You probably have a paperwork for for every vote, it's not like counting the cash after busking.

Eventually You will have Total Number of Registered to Vote = Total Ballots + Total Absentees.

This will also give you the turnout. You can't have the turnout first unless you keep track of number of votes casted and in that case you will be able to tell if there were fake votes by comparing the final ballots counted and the number of votes you counted when casting.

This is all very basic, can someone explain what I'm missing here? Why people are pushing for this thing that doesn't make sense whatsoever?

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stopping | parent | next
2020 vote count: 155 million

2024 vote count so far: 139 million

2024 vote percentage counted so far: 87%

139 million divided by 87% equals 159 million.

Voter turnout this year will be higher than 2020.

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nickvec | parent | next
Still a large chunk of votes yet to be counted on the West Coast.
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culi | parent | next
The vote isn't even close to done. California will likely take weeks to count another 5 million, maybe more. In 2020 it took 2 months to get the final count from all states (not including recounts)
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ggregoire | parent | next
Was expected, lot of Americans don't want to be represented by either of those two candidates.
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extraduder_ire | parent | next
2020 was exceptional in the amount of voting that happened by mail. I hope nothing makes that necessary again.
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ipython | parent | next
I believe there is still more vote to count, so the absolute numbers may still increase dramatically, but your point on party affiliation is definitely on point
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ZeroGravitas | parent | next
The current prediction, when all votes are counted, is it to be just below the record turnout, which was 4 years ago.

It not even guaranteed that Trump will win the popular vote, it depends on how the California votes land.

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Funes- | parent | next
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zawaideh | parent
It's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency...
halfmatthalfcat | root | parent | next
When all is said and done I bet Gaza had very little effect on overall D turnout. If it did, those that either sat out or voted R specifically because of Gaza did so to spite their face. An R administration will turn their backs on a lot of geopolitical happenings and let those involved run wild, of which the Palestinians will have little to no voice at all.

Also people vastly underestimate the political calculus in full throated support of Palestinians and by association, Hamas. There is a whole other side of this conflict and that is with Jews who also care about the resolution, but also care about Israel and the fact they've had rockets constantly fired into their territory. They also vote overwhelmingly D. You alienate one group for another and you've made no ground in terms of voter share.

lanternfish | root | parent
Exit polls, especially in Michigan, seem to disagree with this.
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umeshunni | root | parent | next
Literally noone in America cares about this enough to swing their vote.
delichon | root | parent | next
It apparently was the thing that lost Harris the endorsement of the LA Times. That's worth a vote or two.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/26/us/los-angeles-times-endo...

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keroro | root | parent | next
Personally I know plenty of people who didn’t vote because of the genocide. Mostly Palestinian americans, arab americans, those on the far left.
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zawaideh | root | parent
the huge protests and the whole big fuss about Michigan disagrees with that statement...

Maybe you do not care.. and I guess you wouldn't have cared about the Holocaust either.

nick3443 | root | parent | next
There is probably a large non-vocal group of Democrats outside deep blue areas that doesn't agree, which is why they went that direction
lynndotpy | root | parent | next
While I agree that genocide is bad, all the numbers point to this not even having had been a factor.
rdtsc | root | parent | next
> It's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency...

That's fair. She lost a good number of votes, but 10M+ popular votes? Would that account for it?

tasty_freeze | root | parent
Yes, and now those people are stuck with Trump who is far worse on that score.
zawaideh | root | parent | next
the devil vs the devil wrapped in a rainbow flag is still the devil...
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sangnoir | root | parent | next
The oft-repeated question "What could be worse than a genocide?" was ill-thought-out, first-order thinking, IMO. Regardless, we are going to find out the higher order results soon.
aa_is_op | root | parent
Yeah. They have no idea Trump is the biggest pro-Israel anti-Muslim fan out there. He'll literally give Israel anything they want, and those people will gasp and act surprised.
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