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medo-bear | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
As opposed to what the mass media has been doing and will continue to do ?
jonathanstrange | parent | next
Ah, the self-proclaimed mass media critics! Everyone else is somehow badly influenced by the nasty mass media but they see right through it with their superior intellect. They don't need correspondents and professionals to actually go where something is happening, they know the truth intuitively, perhaps even a priori.
RpmReviver | root | parent | next
It's not about superior intellect, it's about incentive structures

Looking at how the incentive structures are laid out, it's clear there's no incentive to be honest to normal people. They need the advertising dollars to exist, and we are suppose to trust big pharma's enormous advertising budget doesn't impact the business decisions at media companies? That's just big pharma, who else is playing the game?

There's no medical test to diagnose depression, all you can do is observe behavior and talk about it

Seeing bad behavior and lies over and over, decade after decade erodes trust and reveals the kind of people they are, if it was some radical group with no real power there would be less concern, but they have a tremendous amount of money and influence

EricDeb | root | parent
Equally bad incentives apply to smaller ("alternative") media outlets right wingers consume.
RpmReviver | root | parent | next
Most right winners are listening to podcasts at this point, I don't think Joe Rogan's incentives are as equally bad when comparing to an industry that manufactured the opium epidemic or ones that constantly lie
EricDeb | root | parent
Joe Rogan is fine I was thinking more these folks: https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential...
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wahern | root | parent
Fox News is by a huge margin the most popular news outlet. Throw in the New York Post (huge presence on the internet) and the WSJ, and conservative media is the mainstream media at this point.

They also shilled for Trump relentlessly, without pretense. But that's beside the point. The left should accept that they no longer represent the aspirations and priorities of the mainstream or even of ethnic minorities, and the right should stop with the underdog charade. They've swapped sides. Of course, neither side will make that admission anytime soon.

RpmReviver | root | parent
Mainstream media is Joe Rogan and whoever else your favorite comedian, business leader, scientist, or political analyst is
keybored | root | parent | next
One role of the media is to set the Overton Window. And to more generally set the confines for reasonable opinion. Have you been living under a rock?
lynx23 | root | parent
You can defend the ministry of truth as much as you want. There has been too much deception in recent years, people simply stop believing it. The meda were always there to steer "democracies", they even outright admit it by saying they are an integral part of the democratic process. People start to see through this deception.
aredox | root | parent
Given that Trump is a well know career crook and got a lanslide, I would argue that people are just even more gullible than ever.
stormfather | parent | next
You're right. The media has been corrupted. It's only logical, over time the media is corrupted as an outgrowth of the Pareto principle applied to politics. Eventually all political systems are corrupted because those with power use their advantage to accrue more power in a self-reinforcing cycle. The media, as an obvious lever of power, is subject to this, just as are regulatory agencies, congresspeople, social media sites, etc. I don't understand how such an intelligent userbase can be so willfully blind and naive. What began to open my eyes was the pandemic and the Ukraine war. Not that the establishment positions were necessarily wrong, but I felt the manipulation was easy to sense.
repeekad | parent | next
You won’t get much traction on here but you’re right, I think democrats often project issues actually happening on their own side
cjfd | parent
Meh, you can watch MSNBC or Fox for quite different messages. Of course, the fascists are not complaining about the media because there is actually something wrong but to justify the eventual censorship.