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ozgrakkurt | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
As a foreigner, it seems like both sides are super extremely marginalised. Both sides believe everything will be done and there will be a big change if the other side wins. Reality is really not that radical, people are being lit up by propoganda. Saying this as a Turkish person, this has been happening in our country almost since I was born and it destroyed politics, normalisation and being calm is much better than sensationalising everything. Imho biggest issues are related to economics, like housing, like dark money in elections. Meaningless topics are sensationalised to marginalise people and unfortunately it works every time. Politics shouldn’t be right vs left, it should be rich vs middle class vs poor, as economics is the single most impactful aspect on most people’s lives. But politicians want to rile everyone up and put them against each other.
Liquix | parent | next
In the US, it seems the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests were the last time it was really the people vs. the incumbents. Ever since then all there's been are carefully manufactured conflicts with two sides to choose from, which divide the common class and cause them to argue amongst each other.
boxed | root | parent | next
I think you have a too rosy image of the ineffective and confused Occupy Wall Street protests.
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slibhb | root | parent | next
There's no reason at all to say Occupy was "real" whereas current conflicts are "manufactured."
nargella | root | parent
GME was, in my opinion, what occupy wall street should have been. Much more effective even.
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aurareturn | parent | next
I agree. American has more wealth than ever but it's not distributed. All these issues that serve to distract people from the one thing that will make the biggest difference in their lives: personal economics.

Elites are really good at doing that. Go pay attention to China, Russia, gun control, birth control, diversity, BLM, transgender rights. Meanwhile, I will continue to disproportionately take more of America's wealth.

entropi | parent | next
As another Turkish person, I find the resemblence between this election and the one we had a year ago rather uncanny.

- election between rightist strongman vs. boring guy whose most important selling point is not being the other guy. Also a somewhat controversial candidacy.

- Deep divide between coastal lines vs. the rest; educated and the rest.

- Polls not being confident on either candidate, but the strongman gets mire votes than expected.

Etc. etc. I find it rather strange. (I do enjoy the memes on the Turkish social media though)

bikamonki | parent | next
Very well put. I also live in a country where this kind of politics is everyday politics. Nothing really changes for good.
arolihas | parent | next
So as a Turkish person do you believe the other side is just as bad as Erdogan? Do you think inflation would be just as bad?
dtquad | parent | next
>Politics shouldn’t be right vs left, it should be rich vs middle class vs poor, as economics is the single most impactful aspect on most people’s lives.

I agree but ironically this kind of rhetoric is actually how the American left (not the Democrats) were undermined and now Americans are overworked slaves working two or more jobs to live paycheck to paycheck.

"Right vs left" does matter and it was organized left-wing efforts that created the superior life-work balance and healthcare in Europe.

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behringer | parent
We're definitely going to be seeing big changes. Trump and the conservatives are in charge. They are going to execute project 2025. They setup all the ground work during Trump's last term.

Ukraine will be lost. Russia will encroach on Europe. The Republicans will staff Judges everywhere and build a stronger conservative justice system.

The rich will dominate even further over the poor and the US will become an extension of the Kremlin.

Trump may also try to set the stage for more dictatorial control. The only good thing about this election is Trump is so old he probably won't try to create a dictatorship since he won't benefit from it.

But have no doubt the democrats will not be taking back control within the next generation or two.

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