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Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"?

Their rights are literally being stripped away, with threats of more. Even without that, the "opposing view" is voting for a convicted rapist, known pedophile, weirdly incestuous with his daughter, incapable of forming a coherent sentence, complete lack of understanding about any complex topic such as economy, admitted to spreading lies on many ocassions, started an insurrection, and on and on and on.

For literally anyone sane, any of those reasons individually would be totally disqualifying in a candidate. Let alone for people such as young women who have a lot to personally lose from a misogynist rapist promising to strip their rights. (If you haven't being paying attention, abortion restrictions have resulted in women dying of preventable reasons because doctors are afraid to do anything which might be interpreted as an abortion, even if the pregnant woman is dying in front of them from sepsis due to an unviable pregnancy; add in the threat of removing non-fault divorces, and it's genuinely scary).

Most men care. We have wives, mothers, daughters, friends. But it becomes very hard to vote for a party (mind you, I'm not American, but this is showing up everywhere) that airs too many radical sentiments that men are shit and useless. You lose your support. You can't build a majority that way. Keep the sensible people in the middle in the loop.
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Did that really happen though? or did the right just amplify those messages because they're very effective to campaign on? and now everyone just repeats them. Maybe even making a lot of young men feel even more despondent and useless in the process.

Kinda funny how the moment real progress is made on trying to give anyone other than males a hand up, they start crying like babies about how they're not getting enough attention. Meanwhile, those same men are literally stripping away women's rights to their own body.

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I have never had anyone tell me as a white male that I should be ashamed of myself, not least from the left.

What I have been recently is very impressed by female talent in all sorts of industries, which makes me ponder how much we've lost holding them back all this time.

Likely because you’ve sheltered yourself from it. I have been told on HN even that I’m privileged (implying I should be ashamed or aware of such privilege). Also all that recently about how racism is alive and well and it’s our fault.
If you are a white male (I am) then you almost certainly ARE privileged at some level and imo should be aware of that.

This is a completely separate matter from being ashamed of said privilege (I don't think this is reasonable or productive), or being held responsible for racism in general (obviously ridiculous unless you are right now a bona fide racist). But that level of nuance doesn't fit neatly in a 30 second inflammatory commercial.

yea see you doubled down.

i’m a military veteran from a poor family with no college degree and have made my own way my entire life.

we are done with identity politics. keep it up and be left behind.

Who's done with it? The right? because no one loves identity politics more than them. Every single word that comes out of trumps mouth is about someones identity.
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I'm an informed, white, male Democrat and I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
It’s not always in the news but I’ll share an article by a democrat that summarizes a lot of the positions: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ideas-that-are-resh...

those opinions (your privileged) become “shut up” and “you should be ashamed” in public discourse (I’ve seen it)

Your welcome to search for the reverse racism and DEI lawsuits if you think this does not impact people in practice

That's a random journalist, what the hell does he have to do with the democratic party and "the left"?
Another ad hominem attack vs addressing substance
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>Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"?

Sure - but we're talking about pragmatic considerations. In hindsight, preservation or expansion of abortion rights was not enough to get men to turn out to vote for Harris in sufficient numbers to swing the election, so another kind of message should have been crafted for that voting block.

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The idea that there are only two "opposing views" and we must choose one of them is kind of the entire issue here imho.
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Him being a rapist and pedophile should be enough for men not to endorse him. They’ll put “shoot your local pedophile” decals on their trucks then go and vote for a notorious pedophile. Therefore supporting pedophilia. It’s such a weird cognitive dissonance thing I can’t wrap my head around. Implicitly or explicitly supporting a pedophile is a no go for me one and done.
>For literally anyone sane, any of those reasons individually would be totally disqualifying in a candidate

Sorry, but this is not how it works.

People have fear, prejudice and many other things that worry them. Their fear may or may not be baseless but it is there and if you are sane and more or less logical you have to take it into account.

When people fear or do not understand something they tend to turn to someone who offers them a solution.

Some times it's a doctor, some times it's a drug dealer. Why? Well, many reasons (I'll excuse myself and won't start listing those because you can write a few books about each of them)

You want people to stop turning to mafia\drug dealers or some kind of charlatans for help? You have to do something about their fears.

This is sane and logical and any therapist will tell you something similar.

Yes, it might be hard to accept, but it is quite possible you have to fix this shit to be able to fix the "their rights are literally being stripped away" part.

edit: misprints

> abortion restrictions have resulted in women dying of preventable reasons because doctors are afraid to do anything which might be interpreted as an abortion, even if the pregnant woman is dying in front of them from sepsis due to an unviable pregnancy; add in the threat of removing non-fault divorces, and it's genuinely scary

I'm pro-choice, but this idea that pro-life opinions are not equally popular with women is just wrong and not support by polling on the subject. I'm more pro-choice than my GF.

> convicted rapist

nope, misinformation (which why? it’s his last term..). he was NOT convicted of rape and instead of a LESSER crime called sexual abuse.

> Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"?

consider and understand =/= agree and support. Regardless of the Harris' or Dems' views, you win elections by getting votes. If we assume everyone who voted for Trump is a sexist asshole, then Harris was running for president in a country where half the electorate are sexist assholes. If you're not gonna extend empathy and try to build bridges with them, then there's no point in running.

Can you clarify what rights are being stripped away from women?
It’s right there in the last paragraph of the comment you’re replying to.
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I did in my comment already.

Abortion restrictions are being implemented, which result in women being forced to carry feti which can be unviable (literally killing them), from rape or incest. Even if you don't believe women have the right to choose for themselves if they want to carry to term (I do, it's about bodily autonomy way before there's any other life in the consideration), this is egregious. Again, women are literally dying in hospitals because doctors don't want to save them out of fear of performing something which might be an abortion. This has happened in Poland, and in the US, and it will happen again.

The Supreme Court, majority appointed by Trump and similarly minded individuals, has already questioned no fault divorces and interracial marriage too.

Project 2025, sponsored by a big conservative think thank which is supporting Trump, and on whose support Trump relies (he has appointed lots of judges vetted by them, so to think they're not related is naive and delusional ), is against no fault divorces.

Most divorces are initiated by women. Most victims of domestic violence are women.

If that's not enough for you as stripping of rights, I don't know what will be. And I'm not a woman, nor American - I care because I'm capable of empathy, which seems to be a foreign concept to many Americans.

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>I care because I'm capable of empathy

Women are a reactionary element for a reason. Now they've finally been pushed to radical extremes and you see this as a bad thing?

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The myopia here is crazy. As though the dems and their candidates aren't equally bad - except all of their actions are against young men rather than women.

Also what rights are on the line here exactly? Free speech? no, thats what the dems have been attacking. Suffrage? Nope no one is trying to remove this. Even if you want to say "Roe v Wade": it's not a right to get an abortion, and its not even banned just not regulated at a federal level.

I like that anger! Now that you can't postpone the inevitable, maybe you'll actually have to do something about it instead of wasting your time and energy whining about it.
I, thankfully, don't live in the US. I know women who do, and they're terrified. What do you want them to do, mount an armed insurrection? Murder Trump? Firebomb the Republican-majority Capitol?
What do you want them to do, have a panic attack and kill themselves? It seems that I have more hope in women's collective power than you do.
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This comment is disgusting. Voting is what they did about it, and they still have their rights at risk.
Turns out voting is not enough! Damn, if only those Black Panthers got out to vote, we would've fixed racism in America. Shame.
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