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dutchCourage | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
Was Kamalas campaign demeaning to the working class and alienating men?

I was under the impression that the Dems were doing more for the working class, and that Trump was alienating women.

dkdbejwi383 | parent | next
It's a good marketing case-study.

Costed policies that are feasible and attainable in one-term? Boring

Promises of fantastic wealth and glory? Much more appealing

Same thing the Brexit campaign failed on.

carom | parent | next
Flooding the country with millions of undocumented workers to compete with Americans is not a favor to the working class. That is a hand out to corporations.
Olreich | root | parent | next
I can’t find any statistical reporting to back there being millions more undocumented immigrants coming into the country in the last 4 years. Data-backed reporting indicates that we’ve had ~11 million undocumented workers since the 2005 with little change until 2020. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-k...

Any chance you know where to find some more?

carom | root | parent
Look at monthly border patrol contacts with people crossing the border illegally. About 55k/mo recently with much higher numbers in 2023.
drawkward | root | parent | next
It seems that most undocumented workers are doing jobs left unfilled by Americans, for example farm labor.
yadaeno | root | parent
They’re unfilled because they don’t want to pay competitive wages.
drawkward | root | parent
I take no position on why these jobs are unfilled by Americans. But trying to claim these jobs are stolen or taken by undocumented workers (as implied by the comment to which I originally responded) is just wrong. If I assume you are correct (and it is in fact a quite plausible theory), I would allege the jobs are being stolen from American workers by the employers. Certainly the employers are relatively more profitable as a result of their shenanigans, if you are correct.
onlyrealcuzzo | root | parent | next
Ah, yes, because all those people are working at Nvidia, Apple, and Microsoft.

It's a handout to anyone buying those services and a loss to anyone selling them (trade workers).

Companies can't "just hire" illegal immigrants in most states - the majority of the ones Trump won.

badpun | root | parent
It's also a hand out to middle class, who cosume a lot of services provided by illegal imigrants (landscaping, renovation, cooking in restaurants etc.). The Dems kept the price of maintaining a nice lawn low.
matwood | parent | next
The working class and young men (all young people really) have been completely left out of the economic recovery. Harris saying she would change nothing about what Biden has been doing was a huge problem. She tried to address it later.

At the end of the day, "it's the economy, stupid".

nabakin | parent | next
Both represent the working class, just different subsets. Rural working class vs urban working class.
0xEF | parent | next
Depends on who you ask. Both sides demonize the other, but say they don't. Republicans are just much, much better at it. The ads and rhetoric are all designed to solicited emotional responses from the constituency, putting them in a very easy position to "Other" anyone who disagrees. If you can make your followers feel like they are disenfranchised then it's a simple matter to control them by promising to be the solution for their discontent.

Project 2025 also helped, since Democrats answered it with shock and horror instead of countering with their own improved version. Say what you will about the depravity contained within those pages, but Trump voters hold it up as "at least it's a plan" without having read it, much like their other beloved book, The Bible. Knowing that, it was quite easy for the Trump campaign to whip up support.

As much as I want to end with some pithy comment like "manipulation is a hell of drug," I can't. Half the country just got permission to put their ugly truths on display and they certainly did not disappoint. I have trouble laughing about that anymore.

theonething | root | parent
> Republicans are just much, much better at it.

Isn't it the Democrats who sling words like nazi, fascist, racist, deplorable, trash?

season2episode3 | root | parent
When one guy is talking about domestic military deployments and shooting his political antagonists, and it’s not clear that the courts will stop him, then I do indeed think the F” word is in order.

The rest of it is self evident, but I’m not going to be the one to say it out loud.

thiht | parent | next
It was not, but the Trump campaign continuously lied about it. Trump lied and lied and lied about the democratic party being anti-men, anti-cis, anti-Christian, Kamala being low IQ, and whatever other stupid shit he could think about, but somehow it's Harris fault for being "too divisive" (not sure how).

Trump is the incarnation of a thin-skinned bully, he allows himself the worst but will cry as loud as possible on the first sign of a backslash.

If people who voted for him are not stupid, they certainly act like it.

theonething | root | parent | next
And I view Kamala as a fake, policy flip-flopping, question dodging word salad spewer.

> If people who voted for him are not stupid, they certainly act like it.

This attitude of "you must be stupid if you don't see things my way" I expect on Reddit, but am disappointed to see it here.

pritambaral | root | parent
> if you don't see things my way

This attitude of putting words in people's mouths I expect on Reddit, but I am disappointed to see it here.

theonething | root | parent
They literally said anyone who voted for Trump, which they obviously disagree with, is stupid or acts like it
onlyrealcuzzo | root | parent
> If people who voted for him are not stupid, they certainly act like it.

Being stupid is not a prerequisite to being apathetic.

vkou | parent | next
The Kamala campaign had one and only one major problem.

COVID stimulus and an economic slowdown from 2020 caused four years of inflation in the entire world, and people see the price of milk going up and punish the incumbent (not even the person who was in charge in 2020.

At which point, it doesn't matter how you campaign, or if the opposing candidate is actual Satan, nobody's going to vote for the incumbent.

It also doesn't help that the press normalized actual insanity that would not have been tolerated from anyone else, and collectively pretended that it's normal and reasonable behavior.

c22 | root | parent
It does matter how you campaign. Very few people live without access to information beyond the price of milk. If you see that global inflation is a thing and that it is a topic of importance for potential voters you could acknowledge that it exists and work on your messaging/make it look like you're trying to do something to fix it.
vkou | root | parent
The messaging that really gets through to people who can't understand that is naked, blatant lies. It worked with Brexit, and it worked yesterday.
ruthmarx | parent | next
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abcd_f | root | parent | next
Yep. Hence the recent push to kneecap the education in States - be it book bans, forced Bible studies or other eye-popping regressions. Watching this unfold across the pond was a bewildering experience.
ruthmarx | root | parent
I would have thought young people having access to the internet would have allowed them to educate themselves and see through bullshit, but apparently not.

I really do think this is the beginning of the end for the US. At least I have front row tickets to the show.

ks2048 | root | parent
I think this is the middle of the end. The beginning of the end was probably 2000-2001.
synecdoche | root | parent
Who are you calling uneducated? Just because your have an opinion doesn’t make you an authority on what people under other life conditions need to lead a successful life. Speak for yourself.
ruthmarx | root | parent
> Just because your have an opinion doesn’t make you an authority on what people under other life conditions need to lead a successful life.

That has nothing to do with anything. Every single person voting on the economy for Trump, blaming Biden for inflation is an example of a lack of education. Just for one example.

There's a reason college educated people vote so differently to non college educated people on average.

synecdoche | root | parent
Again, it’s an opinion. It doesn’t make it so just by having it.
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