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For an interesting side piece:

    Curiously, however, for a system apparently stultified by the dead hand of government, Australia’s health system far outperforms the free market-based US healthcare system, which spends nearly twice as much per capita as Australia to deliver far worse outcomes — including Americans dying five years younger than us.
The shocking truth: Australia has a world-leading health system — because of governments

Source: https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/10/16/pubic-private-healthcar...

Bypass: https://clearthis.page/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.crikey.com.au%2F...

    Overall, we now have the fourth-highest life expectancy in the world.

   This is contrary to the narrative that pervades the media about our health system — one in which our “frontline” health workers heroically battle to overcome government neglect and inadequate spending, while the population is beset by various “epidemics” — obesity, alcohol, illicit drugs.

    In fact, Australian longevity is so remarkable that in August The Economist published a piece simply titled “Why do Australians live so long?”
Other references:

The Economist: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/08/23/why-do-a...

AU Gov Report: Advances in measuring healthcare productivity https://www.pc.gov.au/research/completed/measuring-healthcar...

> the free market-based US healthcare system

market, maybe, "free" market? I doubt it.

It's not a very free market when there is such a large power differential between the buyer and the seller. You can't exactly shop around for the ambulance or the hospital when you need it, nor can you realistically circumvent the artificially constrained supply [1] of doctors to get cheaper healthcare (unless you live next to the border).

When the alternative is a one-sided market like this, government becomes rather more appealing.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Medical_Association#R...

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There's also a lot of regulation and lots of subsidies (the US has similar per capita public spending to Canada - old people on Medicare are not cheap). If something is so heavily regulated and subsidised that the private sector is only there to outsmart the government to line their pockets, it's inferior to even a public system.
To me that is the funny thing today if you look at markets Chinese markets under it's communist system are actually freer than US. China is not interested any 1 company getting a monopoly and becoming more powerful than the government so they promote finance multiple companies resulting in a truer capitalist market than the US.
It's so ironic. Market competition is definitely intense over there.
Not really. Chinese SOEs comprise around 60% of market capitalization and around 23% of GDP, far higher than USA or other developed economies.

While they do have a competitive market, the government very much does pick and choose winners and loosers here like Huawei, resulting in consolidation into a few large conglomerates like every other country. Their (software) tech scene certainly dosen't like more particularly "capitalist" than Big Tech, nor is the Fed pumping subsidies to Tesla like BYD, if anything they're sidelining Elon Musk.

> You can't exactly shop around

The vast bulk of health care is by appointment, not a dash in the ambulance.

You’re still significantly limited by your insurance carrier’s network and also the consolidation of the healthcare industry. I used to live in a city of 1 million that had essentially two hospital networks that bought everything. You could not find a specialist not associated with those two companies. Pre-natal, allergy, cardiac, two choices. When my seventy year old doctor who ran a practice out of his house retired he sold the practice to one of the two.

It’s not shopping for a tv. You can’t choose not to buy. It’s often time sensitive even if by appointment. Pricing is incredibly complex as are the details of the product. Your average person does not have the information necessary to navigate the market.

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Even so, when was the last time someone needed cancer treatment but said "ooh, that's pricey, nah, I'd rather buy a new car instead".

This is my main argument against private healthcare: there's no real choice involved. Without even getting into what a free market is and perfect information etc, the main advantage of a capitalist society is you get to choose what you like. Nobody chooses healthcare (at least, not the super expensive part).

"free" is newspeak for "rules only apply to the poor, ie.e the lower 99.9%"
Free market-based US healthcare system? Which US are we talking about?
"Free market" is one of the best examples of a technical term people use with complete confidence despite not knowing what it really means. Furthermore, even if you do know what it means you probably remember it as something you learnt on day 1 of economics class before learning all the reasons they never really exist and what governments try to do about that.
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Always when I read this I think they are comparing too very different societies where healthcare is just one factor. Americans are so much less healthy than Australians due to lack of exercise, poor diets, stress, no holidays, guns and crime. Its a miracle that if the US health is nearly as good as Australians it shows how great the US healthcare system really is.
Part of the Australian national, state, and local health care system is policy to encourage healthy life styles and to discourage, limit, or ban food additives, tobacco, etc.

Back in the 1970s the AU Government was running campaigns such as Life. Be In It: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjEge3Awl8 (many short segments airing with commercials on TV).

Planning requirements typically require open spaces, walking paths, sporting facilities, etc.

A "healthcare system" needs to be more than simply "immediate care for the injured, sick, and|or dying".

    > Part of the Australian national, state, and local health care system is policy to encourage healthy life styles and to discourage, limit, or ban food additives, tobacco, etc.
Except gambling?
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Unfortunately, obesity rates are rising worldwide, including in Australia.
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AFAIK Australian healthcare system is mixed public private with a heavy lean on private. The healthcare market is open to market forces as the government works through subsidies. Plus I think many of the hospitals are religiously run institutions which helps protect from private equity influence.

The US has massive government regulation and dysfunctional state intervention in healthcare if not directly then vicariously with rules around Medicare. The US government helps make the dysfunction that private equity later exploits.

So I’m not sure that it would be correct to use Aus and the US as examples of the either end of the private / public continuum.

I would use UK or France as an example of a public system and Singapore as a light touch private, and perhaps India or Turkey as a laissez-faire system.

The UK and France systems appear to be degrading and do not appear long term affordable and I think they will soon be adopting Canadian style Maid systems to cut cost.

Germany is a weird one because it seems like half the doctors there are homeopaths and the Germans love their insurance but I’m not sure if they get value for it.

Personally I’d prefer the Australian or Singaporean style systems but I’d classify those as mostly private.

I had private health insurance in Germany. It was quite expensive and had a very high deductible — so pretty bad incentives around routine health care, I never made a claim in 13 years.

The upside was that if you needed, say, a brain transplant for ten million Euros, as long as it was medically necessary they would pay for it.

Now I have a policy elsewhere that is cheaper, still covers me when I go to Europe, and has a much better copay structure while being 100% private. Downside is I can’t afford that brain transplant, but I’ll probably be OK for everything else.

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Australia absolutely has a hybrid health care industry with layers; health, medical, surgery, pharmacy and mostly outcomes based regulation rather than much assistance to maximise financial profits.

The current system grew out of a more fully public system under a many years past Whitlam government, people like the universal health for all aspects and wanted additional private services in the mix. It's evolved from there, with government oversight directed towards keeping things accessable and fair.

The US appears to have "massive government regulation and dysfunctional state intervention" as the end result of a lot of fingers in the pie bending regulation toward "middlecare" providers that don't apply splints or save lives, just diddle about with insurance schemes. (Admittedly that's just an impression from afar).

> The US government helps make the dysfunction that private equity later exploits.

My feeling is the US government is largely an arm of private interests in many matters.

Health Care in Australia embraces public policy such as Food Regulation to ban and limit additives, parks and sports grounds to encourage exercise, limiting access to tobacco, and some interesting national level drug acquisition deals to keep pharmacy costs low.

These cause a flow on of less per capita input into the medical side; lower heart disease, less smoking related issues, etc.

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Is the US health system free market? The government provides healthcare via Medicare and Medicaid for seniors, the people for whom life expectancy and healthcare quality have the highest correlation.
It’s a mixed bag, but the funding source doesn’t necessarily make it a controlled market, to the degree that Medicare and Medicaid pay non-government providers and allow competition (which again, is mixed). Medicare and Medicaid coverage make up one third of the US population. The other two thirds are on group/employer insurance, private insurance, or no insurance at all.

For non-seniors, the medical insurance system certainly sometimes doesn’t feel like a free market from the consumer perspective, but the insurance companies are private for-profit institutions, and the medical providers are too, so it may well fit the definition.

> the people for whom life expectancy and healthcare quality have the highest correlation.

What do you mean by this? Fatalities among the young will have a much larger impact on lowering nationwide life expectancy than fatalities among the elderly.

The quote is from a Crikey reporter, I (an Australian) wouldn't agree that the US health system is classic free market .. but it appears to have more regulatory capture by vested commercial non government profit orientated interests than by social policy best outcome for the masses civil authorities.

( Describing various systems in various countries as either communist of free market capitalist is pretty simplistic, it's not much as a linear spectrum either )

I'd also argue that the foundation for a high life expectancy doesn't start with good health care for seniors .. unless the metric is "life support via artificial means" .. life expectancy is grounded in healthy living and excerise from an early age well maintained with good health programs.

I expect it has more to do with Americans’ high level of obesity and other poor lifestyle factors.
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Australians are not exactly a svelte lot either, ranking 10th in the OECD countries for obesity (US is the third), and on par with the UK.
Yeah, Ozzies also drink like fish, at least when I was living there. Good lord, so much boozing.
The US is hardly a free market health care system.

For example, Medicare.

If you wish you could take that up with Bernard Keane who wrote the piece.

https://www.crikey.com.au/author/bernard-keane/

Bernard is well across many aspects of US, UK, and AU political views, government systems, media etc. with his own particular views as we all have.

In context he's writing for an Australian audience about a conservative Australian trope that the Australian health system is weighed down with government meddling and would do better with, for example, a "US free market" approach.

I think we all appreciate that's an illusion, a myth spun for children.

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The issue with most of these is that they have better health outcomes overall but when it comes down to the uncommon cancer your mom has, she will have a much higher chance of survival in the US. The difference is a lot of poor folk without adequate healthcare die of relatively straightforward conditions like diabetes while if you do have healthcare you end up getting the state of the art though it might bankrupt you.
There's nothing in the Australian health care system that precludes people with uncommon conditions seeking specialist treatments either in Australia or abroad.

> she will have a much higher chance of survival in the US.

Without a deep dive it looks ballpark the same, to be honest.

AU Cancer Survival Rates:

    The 5-year survival for cancer in 1991–1995 was 55% and by 2016–2020, the rate had increased to 71%. Even with decreasing mortality rates and increasing survival, the number of deaths from cancer has been increasing.
15 Aug 2024 - https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/cancer/cancer-data-in-austra...

US Cancer Survival Rates:

     Five-year survival rates have also been increasing for an even longer period of time. The overall cancer survival rate was 49 percent in the mid-1970s. It currently sits at 68 percent
2023: https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2023/01/cancer-s...
Interesting, Australia seems to be actually doing better with cancer survival rates. I truly wonder what the downsides are if any.
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demographics in the US are very different than Australia, I suspect those in the bottom 1/3rd of US health drag it down significantly.
I assume you are referring to a larger amount of people living in poverty in the US?

Could this also (partially) be explained by the cost of healthcare? Something like a downwards spiral where average people end up poor either due to direct costs of healthcare or neglecting their own healthcare due to cost?

demographic differences of all kinds:

- greater usage of surgeries and prescriptions, leading to greater exposure to medical malpractice (the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.)

- higher birthrate. more pregnancies.

- less cultural tolerance of abortion. Greater willingness to take on risky pregnancies

- single parent homes (people with less family support)

- ethnicities which are more susceptible to certain disease and lifestyle risks

- greater exposure to crime in impoverished areas

- more life time spent traveling in cars

- more restricted access to health insurance (as you said only accessing healthcare in dire emergency)

The US is a different world than most countries which tend to be geographically tight and culturally homogenous. It's very difficult to make comparisons, not to mention differences in data collection and reporting ethics.

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