> A bit confused at this, NPM is just a package manager / distribution mechanism, not a framework
It's an out-of-language packaging/distribution framework (and it's not the only one). It's not part of the JS standards.
My comments above have been edited to reframe our stance on npm and frameworks in general.
I think the communication barrier here is that in JavaScript, framework very distinctly means things like React, Vue, Angular, and so on. It definitely does not refer to projects like Node/npm/Bun/Deno, those are toolchains, sometimes called ecosystems for obscure reasons.
If you changed the word "framework" to "toolchain" in your post I think it would make a lot more sense to people.
> If you changed the word "framework" to "toolchain" in your post I think it would make a lot more sense to people.
Fair point but the edit window has passed ;). For the sake of clarity for those still following along: "framework," in the context of my above comments, includes any non-formally-standardized tools or APIs which are built atop the standardized core.