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MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/05/04/mit-abandons-use-of-dei-statements/
All: Please don't use HN for ideological battle. There are too many low-quality/predictable comments here. We want curious conversation, not sharp recitals.

I know it's hard when the topic is itself an ideological battle, but that's a good time to review the site guidelines, including this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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DEI statements are culty. I see it no different than a religious fundamentalist college asking faculty to sign an oath of allegiance. At least in such a case, you can always know beforehand the BS you'll put up with, unlike secular universities that are adopting DEI statements.
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There is a huge difference between trying to counter institutional prejudice in order to improve the quality of the student body and work being done, and whatever you think a religious “pledge of allegiance” is.

A pledge to God?

The mishandling of DEI doesn’t invalidate the need to fix broken systems which fail to select the best people instead of those who score highest in easily gamed and inherently biased metrics.

> There is a huge difference between trying to counter institutional prejudice in order to improve the quality of the student body and work being done.

This is the Trojan Horse, just like the fundamentalists coming to spread peace and love in society of course.

Fortunately, people are judged by outcome and action, not stated intention, and we can see DEI has failed in this regard.

> easily gamed and inherently biased metrics

IQ tests are not easily gamed and suggesting otherwise is mostly lying. They might be too easy, or have too low a ceiling (SAT), or might have some mild response to coaching. But a very stupid person cannot come out the other side with the very high score, and a very smart person should be able to figure them out sufficiently that they prove their utility.

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> There is a huge difference between trying to counter institutional prejudice in order to improve the quality of the student body and work being done, and whatever you think a religious “pledge of allegiance” is.

There is, but there's definitely some similarities too. Specifically that if you happen to believe in these things, advancement of their goals is one of the most important things you can do, which causes a big temptation to misappropriate institutional power to further the cause.

Regarding the pledges specifically, both require employees to take personal positions to advance at work, which I think is the part blackhawkC17 finds "culty".

> There is a huge difference between trying to counter institutional prejudice in order to improve the quality of the student body and work being done, and whatever you think a religious “pledge of allegiance” is.

In the eyes of the advocates for each, I actually don't know that there is.

Religious pledges likely are intended to say "we want faculty who will teach and represent the values this school holds and that students expect out of this institution", which feels pretty much exactly like the rationale for DEI pledges.

I think the OP doesn't either trust the declared goals of "countering institutional prejudice" and "improving the quality of the student body", or doesn't believe that DEI actually does anything relevant in this sense.

Even for banal acne treatments, proof of safety and efficiency through several stages of trials is required before people are actually subject to it.

With DEI, we are just expected to believe that it actually works and should be applied across the country because some smart people say so.

What other metric is so valuable then?
This Woke stuff apparently has its roots in communist party propaganda https://www.hoover.org/research/beijings-woke-propaganda-war...

I've submitted that link to the HN front page by the way. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40263411

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Clicked through some links in the article. Really mind boggling material. How did such garbage end up in top universities is really weird.
Decades of institutional discrimination.

I'm a white upper middle-class dude, and there used to be a time where it was only guys like me that got into prestigious schools, and had a chance at landing influential jobs - while others would either get silently rejected, scolded for trying, or simply laughed out of the office.

So while the intentions for DEI were good, the reality might be that they've regressed back to initial problem. Should some people be rejected, simply because they're overrepresented? And must your workers write/sign a statement that basically says "I, [name], hereby agree that discrimination is good if it is for the greater good."

If you see yourself (or your group) as a victim it's easy to rationalize rather extreme measures to "fix" the world.

The intentions behind a lot of these things are good but the sensitivity of the subject has made it hard(er) to have a healthy discussion about these issues.

I don't think that's a good explanation. The vast majority of people behind such initiatives don't come from underprivileged or victimized backgrounds.

It's more about this idea of being an advocate for the downtrodden - a good person fighting the racists on behalf of those without a voice. And because you're fighting the good fight, it's of course OK to make the oppressors uncomfortable or to bully them into submission.

Depending on your priors, this is either messed up, or it's messed up not to act and accept the status quo. Pick your poison, I guess.

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But we're not talking about protected classes. They did not take "extreme measures."

We're talking about large institutions adopting policies to shield themselves from potential lawsuits from protected classes.

They do censor research on the opposite of their viewpoint, though. Which further reinforces their impression that they are right. We’re back to 1590 in terms of civilizational evolution.
People might be surprised how dumb top universities can be. When everyone is biased to thinking they're the best, it pretty easily creates tunnel vision.
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I don't understand how this crap got into America of all countries
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ChatGPT is fantastic for writing DEI statements.
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I think DEI/affirmative action is immoral, but I can also acknowledge that the topic tends to result in too much low-quality political spite in the comments.
But is there a wider problem if people stop discussing controversial but very important topics on the Internet in general? Can something be done to fence off the low quality comments, without removing them from public view? Instead of outright banning political controversy?
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So what are the actual statements being banned? The article gives zero useful details.
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